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Overview 

Did a person by the name of Robin Hood ever exist? I have evidence that he did not. The reason being that this was merely a ballad name. There are persons in history who are named Robert Hode, Hode, Hood &c. but these are legitimate names that in all probability bear no relation to the ballad hero, particularly those that pre-date the popularity of the Robin Hood ballads.
therefore, I would contend that there is little  to be gained in trying to identify a person of that name in any historical source. Some will point out that  there are persons calling themselves by such a name but these  both legitimately pre-date and illegitimately post-date the real-life character upon whom the ballads were based. However, before despondency, rejoice! for  this ballad name was based upon someone who did exist. he was not just an ordinary person but has been widely mentioned in footnote history, overlooked and unrecognised. After a few false trails [and there are many ] I am in the process of writing my findings and hope to have them published in the near future. 

A DOUBLY REFRACTED PALIMPSEST                                                                                                                                           James Ohlgren of Cambridge University made a study of the tales of Robin Hood for thirty years But he never identified the person upon whom the ballads were based.  He has stated that "Little John's" grave was 14 feet long. However, I find that this ballad name was not necessarily based upon the character's height or lack of it, but upon a word-play using his real name. Such doubly refracting palimpsests are typical of the thieves that lie in wait for the unwary and cursory researcher. I support the contention that Robin was not an earl  of Huntingdon  nor any earl but there is a good reason why this attachment was made in folklore. The person upon whom the ballad character was based was not from the ruling descendant Norman classes but as the Geste  insists, a tenant farmer. 
After an exhaustive study professor James C. Holt concluded what many researchers try to avoid,  that there was more than one person titling themselves as Robin Hood. After a long personal study, I agree with  this statement, but there was one man who preceeded all those who claimed his ballad name .The 19th century writers placed Robin's life in the latter part of the 1100's. according to Picard⁴ Robin Hood may have been living in the latter part of the 1100's but it is more likely this person lived in the late1200's and the beginning of 1300's between Edward I's &  II's reigns. that a Robin Hod/Robert Hood lived during Edward II's reign appears in Edward II's accounts books where payments were made for his services. yet as stated above he is not the model for the ballad hero.  It has been speculated that the finding of a Robert hode of Wakefield may be the same person as found in Edward II's account books but this too is speculation  which has never been substantiated.

The Cistercians were a particularly strict form of the Benedictine rule established by Robert de Molesme in 1098 at Cistercium or Citeaux, south of Dijon, Burgundy, France. The Cistercians established sites in inhospitable places such as Fountains Abbey, these places later became luxurious and the clergy powerful.
1150 Bolton Priory ("Abbey") established by the Augustinian canons.
1170 The Crusades began, Robin Hood may have been born on the North Yorkshire Moors in this year and adopted by a farmer at Hartoft.^7
#1199 Richard I's death on Crusades.
1200's The "Rise of the Monasteries" which mined coal and reared large flocks of sheep.

Other religious groups which entered England were the :

i) Franciscans or Grey Friars (founded in 1209 by an Italian, St. Francis of Assisi)  who arrived in England in 1224 and spread the credo rapidly.
ii) Dominicans or Black Friars (established later in 1215 by the Spaniard St. Dominic). These last two groups forbade the ownership of property, they were Europes missionaries, independent and despised for their poverty. This was the favourite Order of Edward II. The Black Friars were later used by the Pope to hunt out heresy during the Spanish Inquisition.

The Friar of Skelldale
"Robin Hood and his merry men set out to find the friar of Skelldale in order to put to the test his reputed virtuosity in the arts of self defence. The friar succeeded in depositing Robin in the middle of the river (Skell) ...... and the friar was thereafter Friar Tuck"⁸
Note : Fountains Abbey lies in Skelldale, West Yorkshire

There is also a reference to Fountains Abbey holding the bow and arrows of R.H. which were held by the Armytage family of Kirklees after the reformation.

Robyn's other companions
Some of the names recorded in the later poems as being members of Robin's band were:
Much the Miller's son [ in later ballads,  Midge ], Jack Noakes, Ben Frow, Adam Carpenter, Gilbert Payn, John Silk, Will Curstan, Simon Scales, Gilbert Bolle, Thomas Warin, Harvey Bulleman, Will Sawyer, Will Stutly¹⁴ (Studley?) & Tom Fletcher.⁷
However there is no real evidence that these men were ever adherents of the ballad hero.

Some records which may relate to our hero:
1199  A Cumberland Pipe roll mentioned a Robert Le Hood who lost the inheritance to his lands in Cumberland with the death of his father Edward in 1174 at Carlisle. Robert regained the lands in a court case from Richard son of Troite [David Pilling]

1866 John Matthew Gutch wrote "Robin Hood a collection of Poems , Songs and Ballads". There were over 40 poems, the oldest one published about 1380 but speculated to be  composed about 1280.⁷ This would make it contemporaneous with the living person if we take it that he lived in the latter part of the 1200's and early 1300's.

The King's Court Balladeer
Others have suggested that the most likely author of the early ballads was John Montague of Salisbury who was a favourite of Richard II. As such he was a contemporary of Chaucer and was thus familiar with both the Court of Edward III and Richard II.  When John of Gaunt died  in 1399 Richard II took over his Lancastrian estates. Richard himself was probably murdered in 1400 by Henry Bolingbroke [later Henry IV] in Pontefract Castle by devious method of starvation, which left no signs of violent death upon the body.  In the same year John Montague 3rd in his line [8th] Earl of Salisbury was beheaded by a mob and his head was stuck on London Bridge the punishment for 'traitors' at the time. Thus ended the Montagues' Earldom of Salisbury.

The Ballads gave place names as follows:
Nottingham - caves and dungeons under the castle including Mortimer's Hole
Edwin's Tower Church (Edwinstowe S.E. of Bolsover) Robyn was supposedly married here.
Papplewick (N. of Nottingham) Alan-a-Dale supposedly married here
Hathersage, Derbyshire, supposedly Little John's Grave
St. Mary's Abbey (an Augustinian Church), York.
Pateley Bridge- A Friar named Michael Tuck was born here.
Fountains Abbey (Cistercian) Friar Tuck supposedly trained here as  a monk.
Gisburn and the Forest of Gisburn (between Settle and Barnoldswick)

Road sign entering Robin Hood's Bay from Whitby

Mickleby- Much the miller supposedly came from here (north of Robin Hood's Bay)
Lastingham (N. Yorks)- crypt where Robin supposedly hid**
Hartoft End- Robin is claimed to have lived here with Marian and their son Mark.

**Lastingham is about a 1.5 miles  S.E. of Hartoft End. Rosedale Abbey lies about 2 miles to the north of Hartoft. To the south is Cropton which has a Norman Motte & Bailey ("Castle Mound") & about 5 miles to the south lies Pickering  Castle, originally Norman  which had additions in the late 1100's and early 1200's. The castle includes towers, walls & dungeons.⁹ In 1323 Edward II spent most of August here after an abortive campaign in Scotland and many other kings visited here for hunting purposes.  In 1399 Richard II was held prisoner here by Henry Bolingbroke who had landed in Holderness after being exiled.¹¹. Is it possible that Robert Hode was at one time held here, for there are many geographical references to him in the local vicinity?

Cawthorne & Hathersage

Hathersage in Derbyshire was an estate formerly belonging to the Spencer Family and was left by the last Spencer to the son of his eldest daughter, John Ashton Shuttleworth. In this churchyard was the head and footstone of Little John; and his bows, arrows and a cuirass, according to Ashmole, as I am told, used to hang up in the chancel of Hathersage Chuch.
Ashmole MS 1137:fol.147:"Little John lyes buried in Hathersage Churchyard within three miles from Castleton, near High Peake, with one stone set up at his head and another at his feete, but a large distance between them.
They say that a part of his bow hangs up in the said church. From thence they have long disappeared, and a bow etc. are found at Cannon Hall, a seat of The Spencers, who were also owners of Hathersage, and his bow was always known by the name of Little John's bow.
It is of spliced yew, of great size and above six feet long, though the ends where the horns were attached are broken off
The late James Shuttleworth who died about 1826, had the grave opened I fancy about 1780, the only bone which was found, beyond what instantly crumbled to dust were thigh bones of extraordinary length of 28.5 inches. I remember in the year 1820, when Sir Francis, father of Charles Wood Baronet, of Hickleton (now Lord Halifax), was at Cannon Hall, on my recalling this anecdote, sending up for the old woodman, Hinchcliffe, who told me; and he took a two-foot rule out of his pocket and extending the little slide showed the exact length. He mentioned besides that he was the gravedigger's son, and was present at the disinterring of the said bone............. Mr. Stanhope adds "My brother (Mr. John Stanhope) said the bow was removed from the Church to the Hall at Hathersage for better security"

LITTLE JOHN'S THIGH BONE

At 28.5 inches long this thigh bone (femur) would be 28.5 x 2.5 cm = 71.25 cm long. From the photograph the length of an ordinary thigh bone is 51 cm long and the height of the skeleton is 174 cm i.e. the ratio is 51:174.
If an average persons height today is 5'8" (170cm) then 170:50 is the actual ratio for an average person.
Little John's was X:71.25 thus 170/50 = X/71.25 thus:

X = 170 x 71.25/50 = 122112.50 = 242.25 cm height

   =  8.08 feet
Enlarging  to the scale this appears as in the two skeletons in the photograph.

"Wakefield is described as the Birth Place of Robin Hood -The researches of that learned and accomplished antiquary, the late Joseph Hunter of the British Museum, the historian of Hallamshire and of South Yorkshire, led him to the conclusion that the old tradition of the existence and the exploits of Robin Hood, the famous outlaw of Sherwood Forest, was founded in fact, and that Robin Hood was a real personage,and a native of Wakefield, whose name appears in several transactions in the court at that place".

The Court Rolls for the manor of Wakefield for 1331-3 refer to a Robert Hood¹⁵. This is an unusual name as almost exclusively people in these rolls were referred to as "[First name] de [place of origin]"
There are a number of references to "Robert Hood of Newton"  which lies North Wakefield, just west of Pinder Fields :
 

"The investigations of Hunter, whilst they leave little doubt that Robin Hood was a real person, bring the date of his exploits down to a somewhat later period than that at which they are fixed in Walter Scott's incomparable "Ivanhoe," which, it will be remembered, places his life and times in the reigns of Richard I. and King John, or between the years 1189-1216. According to the researches of Hunter, Robin Hood lived in the reign of Edward II, 100 years later, and was one of the Yorkshire followers of Thomas, Earl of Lancaster (who was at that time the lord of all this part of the West Riding), in his unfortunate insurrection against Edward II. in the year 1322.
As already mentioned,this Thomas, Earl of Lancaster, who was at that time the representative of the younger branch of the royal family of Plantagenet, and also of the De Lacis, was defeated at Boroughbridge whereafter he was put to death at Pontefract; the whole of his estates, and those of his adherents, being confiscated by King Edward II. "

An accomlpice, the rebel earl, Humphrey De Bohun, Earl of Hereford and Essex, was speared 'in the fundament' from below the Borough Bridge whilst his son-in law, Roger de Clifford of Skipton, was captured and hung in chains in York Castle tower, now known as Clifford's Tower. It is considered here that it was at Boroughbridge on the morning of 17th March 1322 that the father of the author of the Geste was captured [not 'Robyn Hode'] in the town by the  surprise arrival of  the then sheriff of Yorkshire, Sir Simon Ward, along with about 400 men of the Yorkshire Array from York under the control of Henry De Faucumberg. Henry had been a sheriff of Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire a few years earlier. After the Battle of Boroughbridge Edward II gave him the task of disspossessing the 'contrariants' after which Faucumberg was both sheriff of Yorkshire and Notts. & Derbs.

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"According to Hunter's opinion Robin Hood was born in a family of some station and respectability, seated at Wakefield or in one of the villages near to it: and he, with many others, partook of the popular enthusiasm which supported the Earl of Lancaster, the great baron of these parts. When the Earl fell there was a dreadful proscription, but some of the persons who had been in arms, not only escaped the hazards of battle, but the arm of the executioner. Robin Hood was one of these, and he protected himself against the authorities of the times, partly by secreting himself in the depths of the woods of Barnsdale (between Campsall & North Elmsall), or the forest of Sherwood, and partly by intimidating the public officers, by the opinion which was abroad of his unerring bow, and his instant command of assistance from numerous comrades as skilled in archery as himself".
Both Burghwallis and Campsall,  situated in Barnsdale Forest are associated with Robin Hood. This neighbourhoods claim to him is as strong as, if not stronger than Nottinghamshire's sher - wood Forest."
Perhaps for 'Robin Hood' we should read here  'The author of the Geste'.

"He supported himself by slaying the wild animals found in the forests, and by levying a species of black mail on passengers along the great road from London to Berwick; occasionally seizing upon treasure which was being conveyed along the road, but with a courtesy which distinguished him from ordinary highway-men. He continued this course for about twenty months, from April, 1322, to December, 1323, when he fell into the hands of the king (Edward II.) personally, and was pardoned and made one of the valets, porteurs de la chambre, in the royal household. This office he held for about a year, when he again returned to the "greenwood shade, where he lived for an uncertain time. At last he resorted to the prioress of Kirklees, his own relative, for surgical assistance, and in that priory he died and was buried."¹.
 

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 This tree at Sycamore Gap on Hadrian's wall has nothing
 to do with the ballads of Robyn Hode but provided a good  backdrop to the film 'Prince of Thieves'.
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From the Annals of Yorkshire:
 "1247 - Robin Hood, the bold outlaw and skilful archer of the 13th century, resided occasionally at Kirklees, near Huddersfield, where it is said he died on the 20th of December, 1247, [J. Hunter differs from this by one hundred years¹]  being suffered to bleed to death by a nun of the adjacent convent, to whom he had applied to take from him a portion of his redundant blood.
That his remains lie under an ancient cross at Kirklees, beyondthe precincts of the nunnery which stood there is by some admitted, but whether he was of noble parentage, or an outlaw of humbler birth is not equally clear. Robin Hood was a 'forester good as ever drew bow in the merrie green wood.' He was a thoroughly brave and generous man. We learn that though Robin was an outlaw, yet that 'he was no lover of blood; nay, he delighted in sparing those who sought his own life when they fell into his power; and he was beyond all examples even of knighthood, tender and thoughtful about women. Next to the ladies, he loved the yeomanry of England; he molested no hind at the plough, no thresher in the barn, no shepherd with his flocks; he was the friend and protector of the husbandman and hind, and woe to the priest who fleeced or the noble that oppressed them.'

There is a gravestone in the corner of Kirklees wood, about a good bow-shot from the Priory, which bears the following inscription :-
'Hear, undernead dis latil stean, Laiz Robert, Earl of Hunington; Naeareir vir as him sa geud, An pipl kauld him Robin Heud; Sick utlauz as hi, an iz men, Vil Inglande nivr si agen; Obit 24, Kal Dekembris, 1247."¹³
Today the supposed grave-site lies near the Three Nuns public House.

Pontefract
The author Brian Lewis also lays claim to Pontefract being a place frequented by Robin Hood, stating that South Yorkshire was his more likely "stamping ground"¹⁰.

A different model for our legendary folk hero

Much of the hearsay  places Robyn Hode into the popular historical location of the reigns of Henry II, Richard I, John and Henry III. Recent efforts have brought him forward to the 1300's with an identity in 'Barnsdale' South Yorkshire, the epicentre of the narrative and ballad hero, Robyn Hode.
The greatest problem with trying to identify 'Robin Hood' is that there is no document of his time in which he is positively identified. This is not surprising given that the name appears to be purely one originating from the earliest ballad,  'A Lytell Geste of Robyn Hode'. A close examination of  the geography of Barnsdale in South Yorkshire  and the genealogy of the families there has revealed a contender for  the location of 'Saylis'  and the inspiration for the ballad hero.  See  An alternative to the location of 'Saylis' of the Geste He is a legendary figure, but the  hero[es] who inspired the Lytell Geste of Robyn Hode did play a part in history. 

Footnote: I find that Robert III Butler of Skelbrooke, although being associated with a network of criminals in the Barnsdale region, is not the model for the ballad hero. There is a far better historical figure who can command explanations for many of the 'Robin Hood' criteria which explain his popularity throughout England and even Scotland.

                                             
                                                      The type of money Robyn Hode would have used

                     Robyn Hode is a ballad name

Copyright © Tim Midgley,1998 revised 2nd January 2010.

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